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Amy Goodman on the Media’s “Access of Evil”

The investigative journalist and “Democracy Now!” host — and the subject of a new documentary — on why independent media is needed now more than ever.

As talks to end the U.S.–Israel war on Iran break down and President Donald Trump demands a naval blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, journalist Amy Goodman says that in times of war and conflicts, “What I care about is the answer, and I care that people in this country don’t get health care at the same time that money goes to kill others in another country.”

This week on The Intercept Briefing, Goodman speaks to host Akela Lacy about a new documentary called “Steal This Story, Please!” The documentary follows Goodman’s life, journalism career, and the building of the independent news program “Democracy Now!” which just celebrated its 30th year. Recalling times when networks used their video footage, says Goodman, “I encourage that. Steal this story, please. It’s a failure if it’s an exclusive. We are covering these critical issues of the day, and we want to ensure that these stories get out because independent media is essential to the functioning of a democratic society.”

Many journalists and news outlets don’t ask tough questions to maintain what she calls the “access of evil — trading truth for access,” and to that, Goodman says, “Then it’s not worth being there at all. It’s our job to hold those in power to account.” 

She adds, “We can’t have weapons manufacturers, who provide millions to networks to advertise determining our coverage of war. We can’t have oil, gas, and coal companies determining our coverage of climate change, or banks and other financial institutions determining how we cover inequality. We need an independent media.”

Listen to the full conversation of The Intercept Briefing on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you listen.

Akela Lacy: Welcome to The Intercept Briefing. I’m Akela Lacy, your host, and a senior politics reporter at The Intercept. We’re bringing you a very special episode today. If you know anything about independent media, you’ve likely heard of the famous show “Democracy Now!” and its intrepid and fearless host Amy Goodman

[Clip from “Steal This Story, Please!”] 

Rush Limbaugh: Radical leftist TV program called “Democracy Now!” …

Unknown speaker: I’m not asking again. That way, or you get arrested.

Amy Goodman [montage]: From ground zero … From East Timor … As we deplane in Haiti … From Georgia’s death row prison… We’re in occupied Western Sahara … We’ve walked across the border … We’re in the middle of Trump Tower … This is “Democracy Now!,” the war and peace report. I’m Amy Goodman.

AL: “Democracy Now!” has opened the door for so many independent media outlets doing investigative reporting and asking tough questions, including The Intercept and many other outlets that we admire. Amy Goodman is a journalist who I have incredible respect and admiration for. And today, I had the distinct pleasure of interviewing her about a documentary on her life’s work.

We’re also joined by one of the filmmakers of the documentary, which is out now — “Steal This Story, Please!” — which follows Amy’s life and career in journalism and the building of the independent journalism Goliath that is “Democracy Now!”

Amy Goodman, welcome to The Intercept Briefing.

Amy Goodman: Akela, it’s an honor to be here.

AL: Tia Lessin, welcome to the show.

Tia Lessin: Thanks so much for having us.

AL: Amy, as someone who has long covered U.S. wars and global conflicts, what do you make of how mainstream media is covering the U.S.–Israel war on Iran? Is it any different from how the media covered the 2003 Iraq War, which is something that comes up a lot in the documentary?

Donald Trump, Iran, and the Gulf of Tonkin Redux

AG: Akela, our motto is “Go to where the silence is.” And that’s what the rest of the media, I think, too often misses. When it came to 20 years ago, the U.S. invasion of Iraq, hearing the voices of everyday Iraqis — almost absent from the mainstream media. And today, as Israel and the United States attack Iran, hearing the voices of people in Iran and the Iranian diaspora.

I am particularly moved by those who stood up against the regime, those who were imprisoned against the regime, those thousands of people. Of course, there are thousands who’ve lost their lives, but those who survived their fierce criticism of what the U.S. and Israel has been doing. It’s really important that we understand history, how the rest of the world sees us.

In the case of Iran, 1953 would mean nothing to most people in the United States. But for the people of Iran, the seminal moment when their leader — their democratically elected leader, Mohammad Mossadegh — was overthrown by the U.S. and Britain really ultimately for BP at the time, for British Petroleum. That led to this series of events that led to the shah and his secret police known as the SAVAK, which then led to the overthrow and the Iranian revolution in 1979. Many of those who fought the shah would then be imprisoned under the ayatollah.

It’s people who’ve been fighting for democracy who say bombing their country — let me quote President Trump — “to the Stone Ages,” will not further democracy in Iran. That’s what we so often don’t hear is the Iranian people.

AL: Recently, when we saw all this coverage of the U.S. rescue mission of this downed airman, as this incredible feat that took the brawn and the American ethos of war fighting. That was a quote that I heard from a mainstream analyst about this event that had wall-to-wall coverage on the networks —

AG: Let me say something Akela. 

AL: Go ahead, please. 

AG: When you talk about the airmen, the lives of these service members matter — of every one of them — as do the lives of civilians here in this country in Israel and Iran. It is critical that we understand what’s happened to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of U.S. soldiers, once President Trump announced — along with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu — this unprovoked war on Iran. It’s critical to understand that a number of U.S. service members have died. 

You know how reporters were castigated when they raised the service members. It is really important to question, because we’re talking about lives — life and death — whether we go to war, which is why it’s critical for Congress to debate this issue and determine whether the U.S. should go to war. We have to be able to discuss these issues, and the media is the place to do it. I see the media as a huge kitchen table that stretches across the globe that we all sit around and debate and discuss the most important issues of the day: war and peace, life and death. Anything less than that is a disservice to the service men and women of this country. Anything less than that is a disservice to a democratic society.

“I see the media as a huge kitchen table that stretches across the globe that we all sit around and debate and discuss the most important issues of the day.”

“I see the media as a huge kitchen table that stretches across the globe that we all sit around and debate and discuss the most important issues of the day.”

AL: This is a good segue to touch on the title of the documentary, which is “Steal This Story, Please!” which speaks to the idea that you want mainstream media to start covering the topics that you cover that they might ordinarily ignore or gloss over. But that even when they do, they don’t always connect the dots to what’s driving these issues or to these questions that you’re asking about accountability. The premise that that this was an unprovoked war is lost in a lot of this coverage, even if some of it has been relatively critical. 

So I just wonder if you could speak to how it’s beneficial for all of us when the media does pay attention to these issues. But what difference does it make if they’re not connecting it to these broader questions of accountability and power?

AG: Tia Lessin and Carl Deal, the filmmakers who made “Steal This Story, Please!” chose that. It’s our motto at “Democracy Now!” We have a few mottos. To be the exception to the rulers. That’s our job in the press. The other is to go to where the silence is. Because the fact of the matter is, it’s not really silent there. People are organizing, they’re raucous, they’re rowdy, but it doesn’t hit the corporate media radar screen. 

When it comes to stealing this story, please — because we are forever polite — covering these stories like as they covered in the film, the standoff at Standing Rock. We should not have been the only journalist there covering when hundreds of Indigenous people, Native Americans, First Nations people from Canada, Indigenous people from Latin America, and their........

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