Sergey Karaganov: “We Are Facing a Major Historical Dual Task: To Save the Country and to Save the World”

My interlocutor is called a “hawk” in the West. But in essence, he is proposing offensive realism: to save the world through the threat of force before a major war breaks out.

Read about this and much more in the first part of our exclusive interview with the Academic Director of the Faculty of World Economy and International Affairs at HSE University, honorary chairman of the Presidium of the Council for Foreign and Defense Policy, and Doctor of Historical Sciences, Sergey Karaganov.

– Mr. Karaganov, you are known as an offensive realist, and you recently stated that the “good old Europe” has turned into the “old evil Europe” and that it is time to bring it to its senses. Putting emotions aside, how far are we willing to go in the confrontation with Europe? Many people are now afraid that the “limited nuclear strike” you write about would open the so-called Pandora’s box. How could you reassure skeptics and explain that this is not a bluff, but a rational plan?

– First of all, let us begin with the fact that the “good old Europe” exists only in our imagination. It has never been that way. Europe is the most vile civilization in human history, the spawn of all terrible wars, including three world wars if we count the Napoleonic Wars; countless genocides – not only of the Jewish people but also around the world – and horrible ideologies. Of course, we partially belong to European culture, which has much that is beautiful, and we must preserve that within ourselves. But when we speak of the “good old Europe” – that is laughable.

That said, at a certain point, Europe, having exhausted itself with its wars and self-destruction in the 20th century, when it unleashed two wars within a single generation, temporarily became a little more peaceful – especially under the auspices of the Soviet Union protecting it on one side and the United States of America on the other. But now it is returning to its old ways; revanchism is emerging from it.

The Europe we are dealing with today is almost all of Europe that lost World War II (the Great Patriotic War) to us. Virtually all of Europe fought against us, except for the United Kingdom, Greece, and Yugoslavia. And now they are trying to take revenge. In addition, anti-human values are flourishing there. These values existed there before, but not on such a large scale.

Europe is returning to its familiar way of being. It is, I repeat, the spawn of a colossal number of wars. That is precisely why, at a certain historical moment starting in the 16th century, it began to conquer the world. Europe was not an advanced civilization, but it was a civilization that best mastered cannon fire and began to seize and plunder the world.

– And has that period now come to an end?

– Yes, and it has come to an end thanks to us, because we, concerned for our own security and at the cost of enormous effort, created a nuclear shield in the 1940s and 1950s and undermined the foundation of Western hegemony and prosperity. We undermined the military superiority that gave them the ability to impose........

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