Usually, I’m the one asking the questions.

But last week I flew out to California to appear on Gov. Gavin Newsom’s podcast to talk about "FIGHT," the new book I co-authored about the 2024 presidential election. And this time it was the governor turning the tables and asking me and my co-author Jon Allen of NBC News about how to make sense of the last presidential race.

“My next guests, they understand it better than anyone,” Newsom said about us in the intro to our episode.

It’s clear that Newsom is one of the people trying to figure out what went wrong for Democrats so he can try to make it right.

The governor’s name is often bandied about as one of the top Democratic presidential contenders, and he is clearly testing the waters on where Democrats should be and how they can win back the presidency.

He’s also doing something many Democrats are refusing to do right now: He’s having conversations with unlikely guests. Among them: Steve Bannon, the longtime Trump adviser, and Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist.

Newsom seems to think the Democratic Party needs to stop having conversations with itself and do a better job listening to........

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